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We are publishing a heavily illustrated version of 'Alice's Adventures in Wonderland' and are hoping to hear recommendations for a font for the body and also for a complimentary initial cap for the beginning of each chapter. The book has at least one color illustration on every page spread and many of the illustrations will be free-standing with text flowing around them. We're hoping to find a handsome font that feels distinctly old-fashioned, but is also very legible. (I should mention that the tale involves quite a lot of italics and dashes.) So far we've favored Garamond and Caslon for the body, but I'd love to find something a little more distinctive. For the initial caps we've so far considered Algerian and Birmingham New Street.
This is going to be a very deluxe cloth bound art book with ribbon bookmark and slip case. We want a font that also conveys artistry and attention to detail. (Alice in Wonderland was first published in 1865.) Wendy Ice, Publisher.
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I would recommend Garamond over Caslon. The original Victorian editions used Scotch Roman typefaces, but they look drab to modern eyes. Although I'm partial to faces like Italia, Jenson Oldstyle, or Morris' Golden Type, they don't come with matching italics, and are more suited to sword-and-sorcery type works than an edition of Alice in Wonderland. Century Schoolbook is even a possibility, were the edition directed at younger readers. But given your likely aim, given that you are asking here, I'm thinking that Centaur might be suitable. And then there's Bembo and Poliphilus as other options to consider - these are very well-known faces, however, so you might look for something similar but more unique.
Thank you for the suggestions! Please keep them coming. You're introducing me to fonts that I've missed. (I can see that my library is about to expand as I'd like to use some of these for other projects I have in mind.) I will try each today to see how they feel in the Alice context. Kthomps5, you're right, this would have been very interesting to try in a more contemporary style.
In fact, if we pursue a publisher for a softcover edition, it might be fun to give them this option. But we've promised our readers a more old-fashioned design for this edition.
Les, for a variety of reasons including lack of funds and the desire to have the work feel really consistent with the vision of the artist, we (the artist and I) are giving a general look to the designer and she has graciously consented to work within those parameters. Also, I've just been so impressed with the comments here that I thought it would be interesting to hear opinions on fonts I'm considering and maybe learn about something new. Cerulean, very perceptive about the Mouse's Tail. I hadn't thought of that as a test.
The drop caps have been challenging because with so many fonts we like most of the letters, but one or two just seem odd or uninteresting in this context. The letters that must work are: A, C, T, I, F, Y, H. Garamond had been our top choice so far and seems solid, but I guess I'm hoping for that dorsal hair reaction—that particular feeling of rightness one ideally gets with an art project. Well, it would be features that were typical of the 19th century in type. To my understanding, vaguely: In the early 19th century you'd have the 'moderns' or 'didones' with upright stress, classicist rationalisation, high contrast between thicks and thins, more drawn than lettered. Walbaum would be a fairly readable example.
In the mid-19th century you'd have more type experimentation – but in text mainly building futher on the above with closed shapes and long serifs, larger x-height, more compact type. Shinntype's Scotch Modern. Late 19th century you're starting to see the influence of various revivalist movements like the arts and crafts movement and theorists like Theodore Low De Vinne. On the one hand, heavy, renaissance-inspired calligraphic type that's sort of an 'anti-trend' to the above, on the other hand a more subtle evolution that takes into account historical shapes and scales back some of the extremes of Scotch-style type.
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In the latter part of the 19th century -- at least in North America -- the high contrast moderns were out of fashion for body text, the Scotch Moderns were everywhere and there was substantial use of low contrast lighter face Caslon styles like Old Style No. 2 & Franklin [nearest digital is Williams Caslon Text ] and the big serifed Ronaldson [good digital at ]. In the 1890s this assortment of body texts came under pressure from several fronts ranging from historical revivals of fonts with 'vigor' to the revolution in printing technology that converted most printing from a craft to high-speed presses, as well as the technology that permitted much more precision and standardization in making type.
The introduction of Century, followed by Cheltenham, meant that by 1900 most of these fonts were dropped from the foundry offerings. They were quickly replaced by fonts that are still in common use today. The problem with using a 19th century font for a modern book, even a revival, is that it can make the book look quaint and unappealing to the contemporary reader. Noting wrong with being authentic, provided it works with the reader. Thank you for all the great suggestions. After looking at hundreds of fonts, we still find ourselves enamored with Garamond and, though it might not be the final book font, would like a copy for general house use. We were looking at the Adobe Linotype family on myfonts.com because it's got all kinds of great extras including swashes, small caps, and titling that I'm not seeing in other Garamond families on various sites.
Can anyone tell me if there's a downside to purchasing this version or if there's a better family that has these features? It's a really big investment for our little company and I want to get it right. (I'm also considering buying the web font so we can use it on our website, but I think perhaps Wordpress might already include a Garamond). Adobe Garamond is a great and time-tested face. I personally love it, but it may suffer from ubiquity. There are also other serifs around that inherit and probably advance Garalde beauty, such as Sabon, Lyon or Verdigris.
As for extra goodies, I think that most well-done typefaces come with them, like extra ligatures and swashes in their opentype features. You may consider going with a web font service than buying the font so you would have more leeway once you want to change the typeface. Typekit and FontDeck both support opentype features for big faces like Adobe Garamond.
I agree it's really frustrating when a font is offered and then you find out that some features you like are not actually available. I have no idea what went wrong here.
All you could do is try and contact the font authors. The Trio people are good font-makers but their business model is poor. Plantagenet would have been my first choice for this type of book -- very friendly, very legible -- but life is too short to have to jump through unnecessary hoops to get it the features you thought were available, but are not. Yes, donshottype, I'll try to contact Trio tomorrow as I do like those swashes. Thanks Grubstreet for the online recommendation.
I'm looking at typekit and it was useful for comparing Garamond Pro to Premier (I find the Premier a little heavy and it might tend to plug up when we have to go to the really small sizes for the Mouse's Tail poem). I might have to subscribe in order to find all the fonts on my short list. I didn't see Centaur or Bembo etc.
I may be missing something, but not all of the fonts I've looked at on myfonts.com have offered titling fonts or smallcaps, and few have had Swash options. Those were pretty big selling points for the Linotype (Slimbach) version of Garamond. Wendy, I have an old copy of 'Alice' by Penguin - from the Fifties or Sixties, I believe - beautifully set in Scotch Roman (metal, of course). For a contemporary typeface that resembles the late Ninenteenth English century books, you could try Eames or Paperback by House Industries, or Hariett by Okay Type. By the way, if you're into Adobe Garamond, go with it (I have set many books with it): it's a great text face, just be sure to set it in at least 12 points - by my own experience, at 11 or less the body text can look very small. Thanks nocolacaleffi, I did spring for the big Garamond set by Linotype that is on myfonts.com. My own copy of Garamond Pro didn't have the titling, subcaps, swash alternates etc.
And I do really like them. This is the original Slimbach design, which is different from his new Premier design (which seems a bit heavier). I've been so impressed with all the knowledge in this forum and the generosity, and I've now got a wonderful list of fonts for various projects. Makes me want to become a fellow type geek. I'd like to read some books on typesetting. Perhaps someone will recommend favorites. I don’t recall Slimbach has done anything close to Garamond Titling.
Goudy has titling though. Regarding typography books, I think I can safely declare that Robert Bringhurst’s Elements of Typographic Style is a good starter. It covers most aspects related to type, from using type – both physical and digital – to designing type. It also is written in a beautiful yet complex way thanks to the author’s literary background. For a more detailed investigation on how type works on screen and on physical print, I recommend Tim Ahrens and Shoko Mugikura’s Size-specific Adjustments on Type Designs. The book is Ahrens’s Master’s Thesis at uReading where he attempts to basically resolve why some beautiful print typefaces suck on screen.
Adobe Garamond Pro doesn't feature neither a swashes set, nor different specific size cuts (subhead, display etc). But there is a 'titling capitals' set, which is available in the glyphs panel in Indesign: it features only the uppercase letters and lining numbers - see this pdf from Adobe, pages 10 and 30: If you're after a Reinassance serif with a full set of swashes, check Hoefler Text, less delicate than Slimbach's Garamond: And a couple of necessary readings (besides Bringhurst): - Jan Tshcichold, The Form of the Book - Jost Hochuli, Designing Books. Interesting project. I thought it might helpful to put together a small sampling of specimens to illustrate the various 'voices' that typefaces demonstrate. Sometimes, I have to go through several dozen samples, but the PDF link below simply provides a handful to start with. I've attempted to assemble type samples from very different genres, just to get the creative juices flowing. I presently do not have access to a printer (traveling), so I am not sure how this actually prints.
I have not paid specific attention to details such as tracking (@hrant. Please don't have a heart attack:) ) The body text types I have used: Dutch Mediaeval Jannon Antiqua LTC Goudy Oldstyle Meister Antiqua NeviaBT Plantin Infant MT Satyr ScotchMicro Walbaum_Storm If it would be helpful, I can upload the InDesign template, so you and others can demo other types.